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elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: hello 27/m Riverside, im donald
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elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: classical clarinetist here
katatawnic: Vocalist here, and I play a LITTLE guitar but only for myself as I pretty much suck at that. lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: hey me too
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its all about C G D7 and Am
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
katatawnic: lmao
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Where do you sing at?
katatawnic: My son's favorite progression is Am E Dm
katatawnic: Wherever they hire us. lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: good call, lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you look great by the way
katatawnic: Now my son is AWESOME at guitar and piano, self taught at that! He writes already; everything from Spanish classical to techno. He blows me away, how he just picks everything up!
katatawnic: Thanks. :)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: rad
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: how old is he>
katatawnic: 15.... he'll be 16 in about two months.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: rad
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: does he take lessons?
katatawnic: Nope. He had a FEW piano lessons when he first started a year and a half ago, and his "guitar lessons" have consisted of jamming with other people and just picking up different techniques as he watches them.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: kool
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so what do u like to do for fun?
katatawnic: Just the "typical" stuff I suppose. lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: are you married, single, ?
katatawnic: I'm pretty social when I'm performing, etc., but I'm also kind of a hermit.... I read a lot, and I do spend a lot of time online as I am in and also run some "support" groups, etc.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
katatawnic: Close enough to married.... "life partnered" with the discussions of marriage down the line. :D
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: me to, Im so antisocial, lol, except online
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: thats cool
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: for you, not me, lol
katatawnic: lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: where are you performing next, ? do you know
katatawnic: Well I became somewhat antisocial intentionally really.... after a while you just learn the difference between friends and acquaintances, and I narrowed my social circle down exponentially: people whom I trust completely AND that (of course) we are "good" for each other rather than stress makers for each other. ;)
katatawnic: At Law's in Riverside, I believe the last weekend of this month.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: thats good, im kinda the same way
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: kool
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: im sick of having people who dont mean alot to me that somehow manage to cling on
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
katatawnic: No kidding! lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so do u see other "aquaintances"?
katatawnic: Meaning....???
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: like would you hang out with some1 like me?
katatawnic: Well I don't know what you're like yet. :))
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: im just speaking in General
katatawnic: You mean "hang out" as in no hanky panky though, right? lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i dunno, lol;)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: hanky panky is fun, its hard to resist
katatawnic: I am a One Man Woman, and beyond happy in my relationship. So absolutely NO hanky panky from this woman, that's a guarantee.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: your soo good
katatawnic: At what?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: being a good girl
katatawnic: When I wanna be. lol
katatawnic: When it "counts" per se.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so u can be a bad girl
katatawnic: Only when it's not a "bad thing" anyhow. lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: why is it such a bad thing
katatawnic: And only for myself or my partner. :D
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its a very good thing
katatawnic: In other words, only when appropriate.
katatawnic: So can't resist hanky panky eh? 8-|
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its hard
katatawnic: Sorry. That's what finding an AVAILABLE woman is about. lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: of course , but where are all those?
katatawnic: All over the place.... wouldn't you rather have someone that is "yours" than someone who is taken?
katatawnic: Or do you prefer the "no strings " thing?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i did, but it was nothing but drama
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so for right now these aquaintances work fine, lol
katatawnic: Life is full of drama.... that's how we learn Life Lessons, is from the bullshit.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: if some1 good comes along, i'll swipe it up
katatawnic: Ah, but you don't mind "chasing" women who aren't available in the meantime?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: thats cause its basically drama free
katatawnic: That's one of the biggest Drama Causers in relationships, you know.
katatawnic: Drama free for YOU perhaps, but not for the woman who isn't available NOR for her partner.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: well some know how to handle it
katatawnic: Oh? How so?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: it just dosent phase them, if they can handle it, I certainly can
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Im discreet and all
katatawnic: So in other words, cheating is OK? Is it OK for YOUR partner to cheat, or only women who are not YOUR partner?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: no no, not my partner. If I had a partner, I do not cheat. But if other people want to , mind as well take advantage of it
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: seeing that I am not taken
katatawnic: Perhaps it doesn't phase them because they don't have enough respect for their relationship, NOT to mention for themselves period.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: whatever the reason, im not gonna complain, lol
katatawnic: And if it's OK to you that there are women who cheat, AND it's OK for you to be "the other man" then how can you truly hold down a relationship when "something good comes along and you swipe it up"?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I take life day to day, when a situation arises I try to take advantage of it. I have my moreal and values but as long as im single and other people want to disrespect, its fine by me
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i will only do it if im not seeing anyone
katatawnic: Then you yourself choose to disrespect. Not only others but yourself as well, as you're depriving yourself of something real that is NOT full of drama.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: your looking at this the wrong way
katatawnic: OK, so then what is the "right" way to look at this?
katatawnic: I'm curious.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: all im saying that as long as I am NOT seeing anyone, i will swipe the opportunity
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: if im in a committed relationship, I am totally faithful
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: but in the meantime I have no problem with an "aquaintance". If some1 want to cheat on their man, they are gonna do it with me or some1else so it mind as well be me
katatawnic: But HOW can a person be "totally faithful" when that same person is willing to participate in a cheating situation? How would you feel if your partner were cheating on you? Is that moral?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Im not the one cheating if im single
katatawnic: No, but you're participating in a cheating situation.... what's the moral difference there? You're the "other man" right?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: well then she wouldnt be my partner anymore, thats not my situation, its between the woman and the other man
katatawnic: Again, how would you feel if your partner were cheating on you? If you were on the receiving end of it?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: bummed totally, but thats life. She could have said NO
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: that was between me and her, not the other guy
katatawnic: OK, the sort of "acquaintances" that I have don't even SUGGEST "hanky panky" of any sort with me, because they respect that I am in a relationship. From what you're saying so far, you're seeking a different kind of "acquaintance" than what I am willing OR able to provide.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I didnt say that, im just saying that if i were to hanky panky with you, i would be fine with it, lol
katatawnic: Ah, so the other guy is an innocent in it all, eh? SHEESH!!! Granted, HE isn't the one who is ACTUALLY cheating, but if he knows that SHE is cheating and he's the one she's doing it with, what makes him any "better" than the woman he's with who shouldn't be screwing around?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: of corse the other guy is innocent, cause the woman should have said no and had respect for the man she was with and if she didnt then she should have broken up with him.
katatawnic: Well I'm not fine with people who have that viewpoint.... that creates drama in my life that is unnecessary and I avoid all drama that I can; meaning anything over which I have control, including people who would be "fine" with hanky panky with someone who is in a committed relationship.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: he is not in a relationship
katatawnic: OMG.... he is INNOCENT because SHE could have said NO??? That is bullshit, period! If HE had the decency to CHOOSE to act on attractions that are AVAILABLE, then he wouldn't be in a cheating situation would he?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: the guy has nothing to lose
katatawnic: (That would go for "she" if the "other person" were a woman, BTW. I don't care if it's male or female, cheating is cheating, period.)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
katatawnic: Really? How many people who are the "other man/woman" THINK they are to enjoy the No Strings Thing, only to end up falling for the person who is in a relationship? THEN there is drama again: either the "cheater" won't ever leave their partner or else they will and then can they be trusted not to leave the "other" person??? I don't care if someone is the "other man/woman" or not, there is ALWAYS something to lose.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you might be surprised
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lots of women can handle it, but either way its not my situation to deal with
katatawnic: If you think you can surprise me, try it.
katatawnic: Again, if she can "handle" it then she has no respect for her relationship NOR for HERSELF. What in the hell would attract you to someone who has no respect for ONESELF? Perhaps you don't respect yourself enough.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its a sexual attraction, nothing more
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: im not looking to steal her away. its a mutual interest thing
katatawnic: You try very hard to justify yourself, but it's not working. The person cheating may be the one who is hurting the partner on whom s/he is cheating, but the "other" person is still guilty: if people weren't willing to BE the "other" person, then there'd certainly be a whole hell of a lot less cheating now, wouldn't there?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: but thats not my problem. She can always say no, im not forcing anyone. Your asking me to take responsibility for her actions
katatawnic: No, I'm asking if you can take responsibility for YOUR OWN actions. Big difference.
katatawnic: Don't you have a conscience?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I have no responsibility to take care of
katatawnic: How is it that you have no responsibility to take care of? Explain please.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its not mine to take care of, its hers
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: im the single one
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: shes the one who has to deal with it if she is gonna get involved
katatawnic: So? If you get involved (in ANY way beyond "innocent" friendship, literally PLATONIC that is) with someone who is in a relationship, then you are just as much slime as the person who would cheat on their partner.
katatawnic: So because she's the one who "has to deal with it" then it's simply of no conscience to you? And yet you claim to have morals. I'm amazed.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: no way because I handled the situation from my end, Your asking me to take responsibility for her actions
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: shes a big girl she knows right from wrong, so if shes willing to be wrong thats her issue
katatawnic: No, I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm asking you how you can respect yourself when you don't care to respect others?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Can you atleast see where im comming from, you dont have to agree with it
katatawnic: YOU know right from wrong, you're simply trying desperately to justify your own actions.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Im not saying that its right, im just saying that I would take advantage of the situation if it arised
katatawnic: I do see where you're coming from, I've been there.... granted I didn't KNOW that I was the "other woman" until the man's wife called me, but I felt horrible all the same. I had respect for her relationship AND for myself; he lost both of us needless to say.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: because I know nobody will find out from my end so and drama that happens will come from her and only her
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: And I have been there too
katatawnic: "take advantage of the situation if it arised".... THAT is my point, you have no respect for yourself or others, or you WOULD NOT take advantage of someone else's weakness.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you make it sound like she cant make decisions for herself, you are pinning EVERYTHING on me
katatawnic: Taking advantage of someone else's weakness is being just as weak as the person who is the cheater.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i have tons of respect for myself that why i make drama free situations
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: they can say NO
katatawnic: Then again, there are people who constantly take advantage of others' weakness because it gives them the feeling of power and control.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its not a power thing
katatawnic: I'm not pinning EVERYTHING on you, I'm asking you to look into yourself and find out why you would "take advantage of the situation if it arised" at all?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its a nothing else is comming along so mind as well thing
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: why wouldnt i?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: im not the one cheating on anyone
katatawnic: Why wouldn't it.... what was that pertaining to?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: nothing at all
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i just meant in the hypothetical situation we are discussing, I am not the one cheating
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: she is
katatawnic: So what? You're still participating in a "triangle" willingly, and that makes you NO BETTER than the woman who would cheat on her partner. Just because you are not the one doing the cheating IN the relationship does NOT mean that you're not participating in a cheating situation. What makes you better than others in this way of thinking/living?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: and im not gonna take responsibilities for her actions, she can make her own good/bad judgements, im just here to take advantage of the bad ones
katatawnic: No, and you won't take responsibility for your own actions either. Sad, very sad.
katatawnic: "im just here to take advantage of the bad ones".... What kind of person does that make you, to take advantage of other people? And intentionally at that?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I am a single man, I have no attachments, there is nothing wrong
katatawnic: You need to grow up, quite a bit. You're not portraying yourself as a MAN, you're portraying yourself as a BOY who needs to learn morals and ethics.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok if somebody dropped a hundred dollar bill and didnt notice it and you say it happen, would you pick it up and give it back or pick it up and walk away?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: LOL
katatawnic: I would pick it up and give it to them.... and I know this as I have DONE IT. Next "test" question?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: saw* not say
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: well that is where you and I are different
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you can judge it from every angle
katatawnic: Yes, I care about how other people will be affected by my actions.... whether they have enough self esteem to care about their own or not, I still care.
katatawnic: Definitely different from you in that aspect.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: see i dont, I care about people I choose to care about,
katatawnic: Ditto.
katatawnic: And I choose to care about people who CARE ABOUT PEOPLE, including how my own actions would affect other people PERIOD, whether their own judgements are "bad" or not.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i dont care about peoples life, drama, situations, unless they mean something to me
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: we are different you and I
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I dont judge people and I appreciate it when people dont judge me
katatawnic: I used to care only about MY life's dramas as well.... and when I learned to love myself and RESPECT myself, I also started respecting other people and how MY actions would affect others.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Thats what causes stress, when you care too much about other people
katatawnic: Hey, you started all of this by telling me that, although I'm in a relationship which I clearly stated I'm very happy, and you still went on to say that "hanky panky" would be OK with you RE: me. I'm only responding to your implications.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Look in a relationship, I am a completely different person, with some1 I really care about. It a "hanky Panky situation, its a free for all.
katatawnic: You do realize, don't you, that psychopaths and sociopaths don't care about other people, only about themselves?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: are you insinuating that I am a psycopath?
katatawnic: Yes, and you insinuated that *I* could be a free for all. That is how this started. So since I am the one who could be a "free for all" then it's my RIGHT to judge what you've said to me.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you can judge my words, but not me
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: and you are not a free for all if you dont accept the Hanky Panky
katatawnic: Reread what I just said..... "then it's my RIGHT to judge what you've said to me".... WORDS, not the person.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: my mistake
katatawnic: OK, how can you have respect for other people if you would PROPOSE the Hanky Panky to someone who is involved with someone else? NO MATTER what her answer would be, I'm talking about YOUR actions/choices.
katatawnic: I'm going to refill my coffee while you answer this one.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: because im not looking to pull anyone away from their partner. My actions and choices are my own and I deal with whatever conscienquences may arise in my own actions
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: me too
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: unlike the women who would say yes to cheating
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: who accept no conscienquinces
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: spelling sux sorry
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: but anyways im gonna go start my day, I dont want you to think you got the last word in though, but just know this is not over, lol
katatawnic: OK, so here's one.... If the consequences that arise from your actions are, say, that the man on whom was cheated by you and his woman were to come after you and rearrange your face for hitting on her to begin with (NO MATTER her actions, I'm talking about YOUR actions by hitting on her and "taking advantage of what arises" from it).... isn't that a consequence of YOUR actions? And wouldn't HE be justified for rearranging your face because, after all, you took advantage of a situation that directly affected him?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: do you not get hit on all day online?
katatawnic: Ah, but it's not about power to you at all is it? "I don't want you to think you got the last word in though, but jsut know that this is not over".... THAT is an attempt at power and control.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: if you knew me you would see that i am simply a follower of life
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i hate being in control, even in relationships, I will give in my point to stop the arguing
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: but not this time, lol
katatawnic: Yes I do, and when someone clearly knows that I'm involved and hits on me anyway, it disgusts me. THEY disgust me. And I certainly have no respect for them, as they clearly have no repsect for me. (Not to mention themselves.)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Exactally,, so you say NO!
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: the woman always has the advantage
katatawnic: BULLSHIT
katatawnic: How many men cheat on women? Does the woman have the advantage in that scenario? I think not.
katatawnic: Jesus.... are you 26 or 6??? Even my 15 yr. old has more morals and ethics.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: but thats not the situation we are discussing
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: we are discussing a man approachin a woman, not the other way around, the situation works both ways
katatawnic: Pardon me, but I've been addressing the "cheater" and the "cheatee" (if you will), and I've stressed it doesn't if it's a man or a woman. YOU may be discussing women, but *I* have been discussing HUMANS.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: are you a religious woman?
katatawnic: Nope.
katatawnic: Organized religion has never been for me.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: do you believe in God?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: me neither
katatawnic: Not the Judeo-Christian God, no. My spiritual philosophy has very little, if anything at all, to do with deity.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you dont have to answer
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok cause alot of peoples moral values come from being raised in a society that is religion influenced
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so I was just wondering
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: sometimes whether you believe or not
katatawnic: I was raised to explore myself and choose my path.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: good
katatawnic: As were my sons after me.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: as I have done too, so what makes your moral value any higher than mine?
katatawnic: How can religion be "real" and "special" to someone if it was crammed down one's throat, rather than something that one found and chose for oneself?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i agree
katatawnic: My opinion (to which I am allowed) is that anyone who WILLINGLY participates in a cheating situation NO MATTER THE ROLE IN WHICH ONE IS PARTTAKING is not using morals, not respecting others or oneself, does not have a conscience RE: the others involved OR oneself.
katatawnic: My opinion, my right.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: and mine is quite different as we have discovered, so are either of them worng?
katatawnic: OK, have you ever heard of the term "An ye harm none, do as ye will" per chance???
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: well lets leave it at this, to YOU, my values are bad, are to me neither mine or your are wrong, do you agree?
katatawnic: You didn't answer my question.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: and*
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i have never heard it
katatawnic: "An ye harm none, do as ye will."
katatawnic: OK, does it make sense to you?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: sure
katatawnic: It's a Pagan philosophy.... actually the first "rule" of Witchcraft.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: where is it from, just a saying?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok
katatawnic: There's a reason that "harm none" comes before "do as ye will" too, it's very carefully phrased....
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: again, this is only if you choose to believe the principles and values of Witchcraft
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: thats like saying, "well the bible says......." which works if you believe in the moral structure of the bible
katatawnic: Because if one FIRST stops to ponder whether an action one may or may not take would be harming someone else, then it is something that should NOT be done.... whether one thinks of morals or not, there is "Karma" which is NOT a mysticla term BTW, it simply means "For every cause there is an effect; what goes around comes around." So, by choosing to HARM NONE by one's actions, then one doesn't have to worry about negative effecrts.
katatawnic: Even physicists agree with the philosophy of Karma, they simply don't use the actual word.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: this really means nothing to me because I am not Religious nor spiritual
katatawnic: The reason that the Craft has that "rule" isn't JUST to think of other people.... it's because they've learned that what we put out DOES come back to us.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: is there any cold hard fact about it?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: studies done, documentation?
katatawnic: Again, physics has shown this. My example of Paganism was an analogy only, as it's more simple to discuss a metaphor than it is to use scientific terms.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: so it works upon the same ideas as religion
katatawnic: Is there a cold hard fact that when you're getting it on with a woman who is involved with someone else, that you are NOT hurting other people by YOUR actions?
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: thats the whole thing, I dont care if she gets hurt because she put herself in the situation, If she was afraid to get hurt then she should have said NO
katatawnic: What about her PARTNER being hurt? You don't care about the INNOCENT partner???
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: I do need to go, but I can argue with you all day
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: no she should care about that, because none of it would happen if she said NO
katatawnic: None of it would happen if YOU stay away from her, too.... at least, YOUR conscience would be clean as far as, at the VERY LEAST, not hurting her INNOCENT partner in all of it.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: my conscience is clean
katatawnic: Then your values are certainly different from mine.... and different from the kind of people that I choose to have in my life. Back to the intentional shrinking of my social circle. HAH!
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: you know, nobody would get anything if they didnt approach people for what they want. Thats like saying you wouldnt have gotten in an accident if you didnt get in your car
katatawnic: No, but I wouldn't have had a car accident if I hadn't been driving too fast on a mountain road with cinders laid out for the coming blizzard, KNOWING that the speed at which I was taking the curves was risky. So my injuries that I have for the rest of my life are from my own doing.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: Look I believe that all people are different and everyone leads their life for what works best for them. So in a way life is selfish because when you narrow it down, everything you do in life can be traced back to YOU doing what you want or need to do
katatawnic: Getting into my car didn't cause my accident, but choosing not to drive safely (especially considering the road and the current weather conditions) DID cause my accident.... and my injuries. Hence, my choices DID effect me. (Not to mention my cousin, who was an INNOCENT passenger in the car.)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: from the job you have , to the people you date, to the type of house you live in. It is all about YOU
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: yes but what if you were driving safely and some1 hits you?
katatawnic: No, there are those of us who do NOT make it all about us, but rather make it all about us AND those whom are affected by our actions.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok next time we talk, Pick something in your life, and I will take it back to YOU
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i really have to go.
katatawnic: If someone hits you then it was their action and YOU are affected by it.... and that goes back to other people being affected by your actions. ("You/your" being generic, not you personally.)
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok im gonna end this right now
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i have to go
katatawnic: You can try all you want to take it back to me.... you have no idea the hells I've been through that have taught me Life Lessons.... lessons that you appear to need desperately.
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i could do this all day though, but i have a life offline to lead too, lol
katatawnic: Then go already, I'm not forcing you to do anything. lmao
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: i have probably been through some crap you couldnt fathom
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: lol
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: ok bye
katatawnic: OK, you try me when you come back.... let's see what I couldn't fathom. OMG, what an ego! roflmfao
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: its stuff that I dont talk about anymore because I have already put it behind me
elgringo1979@sbcglobal.net: \k bye
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